Physically blocking a pathway is not a violent action. It only becomes violent if you are stopping someone from moving in _any_ direction by blocking them in entirely, like kettling.
The question is do march participants have a right to react with violence to an obstcle? I believe not. If the police in the march wanted to continue moving, they should have called in other non-marching police to lawfully deal with it, not act like a bunch of bullies.
You are either a march participant in that moment, or a police officer on duty. Not both.
тАЬPhysically blocking a pathway is not a violent action.тАЭ
It absolutely is.
тАЬIt only becomes violent if you are stopping someone from moving in any direction by blocking them in entirely, like kettling.тАЭ
So then youтАЩd be OK with someone blocking a march you approve of by organizing people to stand in itтАЩs way?
тАЬThe question is do march participants have a right to react with violence to an obstcle? I believe not.тАЭ
So then anyone can shut down any protest and thatтАЩs not a rights violation?
тАЬI believe not. If the police in the march wanted to continue moving, they should have called in other non-marching police to lawfully deal with it, not act like a bunch of bullies.тАЭ
So if itтАЩs lawful to act against people who are blocking the way how is it unlawfully just because itтАЩs you they are blocking? YouтАЩre not making sense.
тАЬYou are either a march participant in that moment, or a police officer on duty. Not both.тАЭ
That makes no sense and is irrelevant. You donтАЩt have to be a police officer to have the right to use the public thoroughfare.
If they happen to be in your way you don't have the right to throw hands. If on the other hand they are deliberately using force to prevent you using a public street, yes you do have that right. And that's what the "protestors" were doing. They were attempting to violate the rights of others by physical force, and you approve of this. Which is why I believe you would approve of physically harming people.
Have I ever said anything to indicate I want to physically harm anyone? All my conversations with transphobes in person have been entirely civil.
Even though these people call for the removal of the healthcare that honestly has saved my life, and often say very very awful things about me on X. I generally avoid stooping to their level. I do not want their healthcare removed, I do not wish them any harm. I do wish they'd move on with their lives and not fixate on us so much though.
Plus, I don't believe in retributive politics and I don't believe it to be a healthy frame of mind to hate your political enemies at all, not from a mental health or a pragmatic point of view. Especially as a trans person; if I hated the people who hate me, I would have to have a lot of hate in my heart, and I'm just not like that.
I don't think that march participants should be allowed to respond by choking them.
So to be clear you're conceding the point that they were not being "non-violent"?
And I bet you would endorse more than choking against "transphobes".
Physically blocking a pathway is not a violent action. It only becomes violent if you are stopping someone from moving in _any_ direction by blocking them in entirely, like kettling.
The question is do march participants have a right to react with violence to an obstcle? I believe not. If the police in the march wanted to continue moving, they should have called in other non-marching police to lawfully deal with it, not act like a bunch of bullies.
You are either a march participant in that moment, or a police officer on duty. Not both.
тАЬPhysically blocking a pathway is not a violent action.тАЭ
It absolutely is.
тАЬIt only becomes violent if you are stopping someone from moving in any direction by blocking them in entirely, like kettling.тАЭ
So then youтАЩd be OK with someone blocking a march you approve of by organizing people to stand in itтАЩs way?
тАЬThe question is do march participants have a right to react with violence to an obstcle? I believe not.тАЭ
So then anyone can shut down any protest and thatтАЩs not a rights violation?
тАЬI believe not. If the police in the march wanted to continue moving, they should have called in other non-marching police to lawfully deal with it, not act like a bunch of bullies.тАЭ
So if itтАЩs lawful to act against people who are blocking the way how is it unlawfully just because itтАЩs you they are blocking? YouтАЩre not making sense.
тАЬYou are either a march participant in that moment, or a police officer on duty. Not both.тАЭ
That makes no sense and is irrelevant. You donтАЩt have to be a police officer to have the right to use the public thoroughfare.
No, I am making sense.
If something/one is in your way, you dont have the right to throw hands. If someone is blocking me, I'm not going to assault them.
If they happen to be in your way you don't have the right to throw hands. If on the other hand they are deliberately using force to prevent you using a public street, yes you do have that right. And that's what the "protestors" were doing. They were attempting to violate the rights of others by physical force, and you approve of this. Which is why I believe you would approve of physically harming people.
Have I ever said anything to indicate I want to physically harm anyone? All my conversations with transphobes in person have been entirely civil.
Even though these people call for the removal of the healthcare that honestly has saved my life, and often say very very awful things about me on X. I generally avoid stooping to their level. I do not want their healthcare removed, I do not wish them any harm. I do wish they'd move on with their lives and not fixate on us so much though.
Plus, I don't believe in retributive politics and I don't believe it to be a healthy frame of mind to hate your political enemies at all, not from a mental health or a pragmatic point of view. Especially as a trans person; if I hated the people who hate me, I would have to have a lot of hate in my heart, and I'm just not like that.
"Have I ever said anything to indicate I want to physically harm anyone?"
Well yes, you approved of force to block people you don't like. If you're prepared to do that of course I believe you will physically harm people.